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In Western medieval legend, an incubus (plural incubi) is a demon in male form supposed to lie upon sleepers, especially women, in order to have sexual intercourse with them. They are also believed to do this in order to spawn other incubi. The incubus drains energy from the woman on whom it performs sexual intercourse in order to sustain itself, and some sources indicate that it may be identified by its unnaturally cold penis.[1] Religious tradition holds that repeated intercourse with such a spirit by either males or females (the female version of the incubus is called a succubus) may result in the deterioration of health, or even death.

A number of mundane explanations have been offered for the origin of the Inkson legends. They involve the Medieval preoccupation with sin, especially sexual sins of women. Victims may have been experiencing waking dreams or sleep paralysis. Also, nocturnal arousal, orgasm or nocturnal emission could be explained by the idea of creatures causing an otherwise guilt-producing and self-conscious behavior.[4]

Origins of Incubi legends
Purported victims of incubi could have been the victims of sexual assault by a real person. Rapists may have attributed the rapes of sleeping women to demons in order to escape punishment. A friend or relative may have assaulted the victim in her sleep. The victims and, in some cases the local clergy,[5] may have found it easier to explain the attack as supernatural rather than confront the idea that the attack came from someone in a position of trust.
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In Western medieval legend, a succubus (plural succubi) is a demon who takes the form of a beautiful human female to seduce men (especially monks) in dreams to have sexual intercourse. They draw energy from the men to sustain themselves, often until the point of exhaustion or death of the victim. From mythology and fantasy, Lilith and the Lilin (Jewish), Lilitu (Sumerian) and Rusalka (Slavic) are, in redactive Christian fables (folktales not part of official Christian theology), considered succubi.

According to the Malleus Maleficarum, or "Witches' Hammer", succubi would collect semen from the men they slept with, which incubi would then use to impregnate women. Children so begotten were supposed to be more susceptible to the influence of demons.

In some beliefs the succubi would morph into the Incubus with its newly collected semen ready to impregnate their victims. This was to account for the fact that demons could not reproduce naturally, however the incubus could impregnate women.

From the 16th century, the carving of a succubus on the outside of an inn indicated that the establishment also operated as a brothel.



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The appearance of succubi varies just about as much as that of demons in general; there is no single definitive depiction. However, they are almost universally depicted as alluring women with unearthly beauty, often with demonic batlike wings; occasionally, they will be given other demonic features (horns, a tail with a spaded tip, snakelike eyes, hooves, fangs, etc). Occasionally they appear simply as an attractive woman in dreams that the victim cannot seem to get off their mind. They lure males and in some cases, the male has seemed to fall "in love" with her. Even out of the dream she will not leave his mind. She will remain there slowly draining energy from him.
So what do you think? Are they real? Wet dreams? Sleep paralysis?
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There's nothing unusual about a cold willie in Scotland - it doesn't mean it's an incubis.....

I've never known whether to subscribe to the idea they exist or not....people can write very graphically and in fine detail about experiences with them but I have yet to find one which makes me think 'Yip, I can buy that'.

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I wonder if there are any accounts of wives or husbands waking up to find their spouse being 'attacked' by one...hey, that'd be a pretty cool excuse if you're caught out having an affair eh?
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There's nothing unusual about a cold willie in Scotland - it doesn't mean it's an incubis.....

I've never known whether to subscribe to the idea they exist or not....people can write very graphically and in fine detail about experiences with them but I have yet to find one which makes me think 'Yip, I can buy that'.

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I personally think it's a medieval equavalent of and excuse for sexual thought's or acts...

Today we blame it on the booze then they blamed it on the Incubus and the succubus......
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This is an interesting topic to see after the morning I had.

I've studied into the whole incubus thing quite a bit now, starting about a year ago. Of course, the experiences I've had could easily be interpreted as 'demons' at least sucking the life out of me, in some ways. I don't lean toward any one answer, but I don't dismiss anything outright. And sometimes, thanks to my own experiences, I can't help but think there could be more to the story than either simple unquestioned spirit powers or social taboos.

It could well be the subconscious at work; taboos tend to cause repression that may well come out in powerful dreams, that's just a given. But in my case I don't feel that applies. Consider the fact that I've dreamed of men (yes, sexually) before actually meeting them. In those dreams, they felt absolutely real. I would often (and still do) wake up feeling exactly as if I've had sex with someone, down to every physical detail. (I don't care if that's TMI for anyone - get over it. )

But, for me, there are many cases where it wasn't overtly sexual at all, but left me feeling totally drained of energy, and even 'soulless'. This morning is a good example of how this is an ongoing thing, even though I'm now fighting whatever it is. Here are some excerpts:

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I'm not sure where he came from, but suddenly there was a guy. His appearance made everything around me vague, and at first I thought I was waking up. He was a powerful, even forceful dream entity, and although I was instinctively cautious, even anxious, I couldn't help but be intrigued. It felt like an invasion, but he convinced me I needed to 'talk' to him. He was very persuasive.

Whatever it was, when I got a good look he looked very simple-just the form of a typical guy, with shortish dark hair and broad features, neither fat nor skinny. [He] commanded attention. It was a lucid dream, and I wanted to see an alien, or something interesting. I was trying to have some fun. I asked him, "Do I get to see a Drii? Can I see a Drii?" He brushed it off completely. I had to wonder if he was supposed to be one. He wasn't letting on if that was the case.

The next thing I remember doing was being sat on the bed with him. He was very commanding, even demanding, but he was being gentle. As I sat with him, he talked, and his words at first made sense. I don't remember them now, but it was just short sentences telling me what to do. It was when he started telling me 'important' things that I lost it. I remember we were sitting face to face on the bed, with my back facing the window wall, his facing the door. I stared into his face the entire time. It was so clear, but we sat in darkness and I couldn't see his eyes well. I even realized I was looking into his face. When he told me the 'important' things, I didn't catch them. I told him this, and he tried again. It didn't work, and I told him again that I couldn't understand; I also told him I couldn't 'translate it properly'. Then I realized, and announced, "I think I need to look more into your eyes," and he immediately agreed. I did as such, and…I may have heard what he told me, but I realized that his eyes became intense, and much more visible. And scary. I felt like I was being sucked in. Right then, I felt him, and he felt real. Real real, like Drin, only…this was a bold and thoughtfully conducted meeting I did not call. As I sat, he suddenly had three eyes. All of them had huge pupils that were like looking into the depths of a huge water well. There was a glowing red behind the pupils, deep, and it made me want to stare deeper. Here's where I had a sudden, extreme emotional conflict: I had a sudden surge of wanting to give in to him, to be actually loyal to him, but at the same time I had an even more gut reaction that told me to get the fuck out. As soon as the latter welled up in me, he gripped me. I'm pretty sure two more arms came out of him, and threatened to do something unpleasant to me if I didn't comply. I had control, though, and I reeled back on the bed, closed my dream eyes, and forced myself awake.

The waking was a struggle; it was just so tempting to fall back into bliss. I knew it wasn't bliss, but it felt like it would be. It was so enticing. I was also afraid at the same time. I did fall back into it, or rather, felt pulled down by it. I was pretty sure I recognized the feeling of the entity, it was everywhere now. It felt like what I had called 'Keth'. He has no name, of course, he just is, and exists. He is the communicator, that's his job. He was everywhere around me. In the dream world, I got up out of bed and tried to turn on lights. Marc was, of course, gone, just as in reality. No lights would work, and outside it was dark, but not totally. It looked like dusk. Everything had a nightmare quality to it, of course, but I kept it under control. My fear caused me to run outside. I knew if I stayed in, the darkness, which had been done on purpose, would have made me vulnerable to being grabbed and held, and 'programmed'. The likely outcome felt like it would not have been a typical nightmare, but another year of loyalty and love to these dream entities. It was so tempting to give in rather than be consumed by my own fear, but I didn't give in.
I turned around in the doorway and saw that the lights were back on. In the hall, I saw a figure. It was tall and thin, and I was sure it was a construct of Marc. It was, but not a harmless one, as I talked to it. He turned and his eyes were immediately seductive and frighteningly bright, his face was different. I turned tail, so to speak.
I woke up feeling absolutely drained. I don't think it sucked the life 'force out' of me, but was just so intensive that it fatigued me. I'm not making any final decisions on the cause or reason for any of it.
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well ladies, i hope if nothing else you all learn from this.

always check for that cold penis !

to be honest, i don t believe in demons.
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Ben is a warm willie a sucupus.......

Would explaine a lot

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Ben is a warm willie a sucupus.......

Would explaine a lot

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LOL I'm not quite sure what to make of that Ophelia.....

Forgive me but I'm having a 'dense' morning today...too many phones ringing things to do - can't think straight.

I once read the book The Succubus and it was a damn good read but I think I was only about 13 or something and the details escape me....but it kinda scared me at the time. I'm kinda of the opinion that they DON'T exist but as ever I'm open to conversion....

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Sorry Ben I was making light of the matter

However I do believe that there are spiritual beings that are there to help us good or bad depending on how we view our lies and situtations at the time

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So what do you think? Are they real? Wet dreams? Sleep paralysis?
Maybe..I dont think we can collectively lump all accounts together and say its this or that...maybe different phenomena in different accounts
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Sorry Ben I was making light of the matter

However I do believe that there are spiritual beings that are there to help us good or bad depending on how we view our lives and situtations at the time

It's something I've always wanted to believe - but could never let go of harsh reality long enough to embrace.

I guess if we wanna believe in something spiritual which is 'good' then we have to accept the malevolent side too.

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I can understand where you are coming from on that one

All I can answer to is what I personnally know about my Spirit Guide
And how he has helped me in my life and given me concreat evidence of his exsistance

This I can subscribe to for sure



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But to add nother edge to what I have just said
My spirit Guide will try to lead me into a false sense of security to test my faith, this he would do in the early days of our realationship to teach me to think and judge for myself as there are spirits that can come in and imitate our spirit guides, so therefore we still have freedom of free will where our spirit guides are concerned

And that is very important to the other side
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You should start a thread about it Ophelia - probably in the 'New Age' section?

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Maybe I should Ben....

But I do not have the confidence to do so now

I am very new here and testing the waters

As in my life I have had alsorts of trouble for my beleifes and knoweledge

And it is very hard to break out of ones self and come forward
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